I'm watching 'Samson and Delilah' with Hedy Lamarr

And boy did she look ROUGH. Her looks were almost totally gone by then. She was only 35 but looked fifty. Very little was left of the gorgeous Hedy from Algiers and Ziegfeld Girl. I used to watch the "Road to..." movies with Lamar, Hope, and Crosby when they'd be on a channel like TMC

And boy did she look ROUGH. Her looks were almost totally gone by then. She was only 35 but looked fifty. Very little was left of the gorgeous Hedy from Algiers and Ziegfeld Girl.

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by Anonymousreply 159February 14, 2019 1:42 AM

I used to watch the "Road to..." movies with Lamar, Hope, and Crosby when they'd be on a channel like TMC at 3am or some such.

Very simple and simplistic movies that all followed the same formula. They were awful, but strangely entertaining.

by Anonymousreply 3December 25, 2018 6:01 PM

You just posted an unflattering still of her, OP. She was great in that film and looked fine.

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by Anonymousreply 4December 25, 2018 6:17 PM

She looked her age, but calling her "rough" is a bit harsh

by Anonymousreply 5December 25, 2018 6:23 PM

OP, you'd look rough too if you,were in the middle of making an earth-shaking invention.

by Anonymousreply 6December 25, 2018 6:34 PM

Isn’t that the movie that made her a superstar? It was a comeback of sorts

by Anonymousreply 7December 25, 2018 6:48 PM

That pancake stage makeup is aging I think

by Anonymousreply 8December 25, 2018 6:59 PM

R3, Dorothy Lamour was in "The Road" pictures, not Hedy Lamarr.

by Anonymousreply 9December 25, 2018 7:01 PM

R7, this was a comeback role of sorts for her because it was a hit, but it didn't really lead to better roles for her. By the mid 50s her career was over

by Anonymousreply 10December 25, 2018 7:02 PM

Hedy Lamarr was with Hope in the very funny "My Favorite Spy," made at about the same time as SD.

by Anonymousreply 11December 25, 2018 7:07 PM

Samson and Delilah was the biggest box office hit of that year. And Hedy Lamarr who was in her mid 30's at the time looked just fine, as did Victor Mature.

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by Anonymousreply 12December 25, 2018 7:10 PM

[quote][R3], Dorothy Lamour was in "The Road" pictures, not Hedy Lamarr.

Oh, dear.

You're right. I stand embarrassed and corrected.

by Anonymousreply 13December 25, 2018 7:22 PM

As most of you know, when Groucho heard about the film and cast, he said, "I don't go to any movie where the man has bigger tits than the woman. "

by Anonymousreply 14December 25, 2018 7:22 PM

Maybe it’s the color film?

by Anonymousreply 15December 25, 2018 7:27 PM

Fun movie when you're in the mood, it's ridiculous and camp.

And Hedy is amazingly beautiful in it, but with a mature beauty, as the youthfulness of her 1930s beauty was long gone. It was probably the last film where she could stun with her looks, although at that point it took a lot of help from a technicolor cinematographer and THIS GOWN.

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by Anonymousreply 16December 25, 2018 11:00 PM

Hedy 5 years later in 1954. Still looks great.

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by Anonymousreply 17December 25, 2018 11:26 PM

It would take an emerald and sapphire together to match her blue-green eyes.

by Anonymousreply 18December 26, 2018 12:16 AM

She was really the first gorgeous star of the Golden Age to get awful plastic surgery. All of the others came away from the knife still looking like themselves but not Hedy who was a mere shell of her former self by the 1960s.

by Anonymousreply 19December 26, 2018 12:21 AM

She was in a color Western, "Copper Canyon," in 1950 and looked good in that. It also stars a bearded Macdonald Carey looking pretty hunky. Directed by John Farrow, Mia's dad. It's on YouTube.

by Anonymousreply 20December 26, 2018 12:22 AM

I saw that interesting in-depth documentary about her escape from the Nazis and the invention of the alternating-frequency thingie that supposedly led to the invention of cellular networks.

Hedy was a very intelligent woman and hated being valued only for her looks, but when push came to aging, she wasn't prepared to let go of those looks without a fight. She started getting plastic surgery in the sixties or earlier, and not good plastic surgery.

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by Anonymousreply 21December 26, 2018 12:26 AM

It's the short, hard eyebrows, they age her in OP's pic. She needed a more natural brow like gals in Bible times.

by Anonymousreply 22December 26, 2018 12:27 AM

The documentary is fantastic, beautifully made with the cooperation of her grown son and daughter, and very informative and honest.

For such a genius, Hedy made a lot of stupid choices. I'm talking principally of her husbands, her plastic surgery and her post-MGM movie roles.

by Anonymousreply 23December 26, 2018 12:31 AM

You can see the truly gruesome work she had done in her 70s in the recent documentary BOMBSHELL.

by Anonymousreply 24December 26, 2018 12:36 AM

OP in full drag I look a good deal worse than Hedy does in your still, and I’m cute and 10 years younger. Pre-surgery Lamarr is a cut above and you well know it; gorgeous by starlet standards no matter the year.

As other posters have also mentioned, her looks are the least interesting thing about her. The woman was a scientist and a wartime hero (of sorts), for Gods’ sakes.

by Anonymousreply 25December 26, 2018 12:45 AM

When asked if he liked Samson & Delilah Grouch Marx replied:

"I'll never like a picture where the guys tits are bigger then the girls."

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by Anonymousreply 26December 26, 2018 12:48 AM

What I always find a bit odd is that, at the start, Angela Lansbury is shown as the pretty sister that Samson wants to marry and Hedy is the tomboy he ignores.

by Anonymousreply 28December 26, 2018 1:02 AM

Yes, gorgeous actress and scientific genius who invented the technology that has led to Bluetooth and WiFi

by Anonymousreply 29December 26, 2018 1:08 AM

And apparently she had no education!

by Anonymousreply 30December 26, 2018 1:09 AM

The documentary said if she'd patented her invention her estate would be worth $30 billion!

by Anonymousreply 31December 26, 2018 1:10 AM

R30, I think she had an education and she was very much encouraged by her father.

by Anonymousreply 32December 26, 2018 1:16 AM

Not many women who marry at 15 have much education.

by Anonymousreply 33December 26, 2018 1:18 AM

She was 18/19 when she married and grew up in a very privileged household.

by Anonymousreply 34December 26, 2018 1:22 AM

In Bombshell, they mention that she was the first woman to be portrayed as having an orgasm on film. I would think that should give her DL icon status.

by Anonymousreply 35December 26, 2018 1:23 AM

She was actually working on the wi-fi invention when she making Ziegfeld Girl at MGM. Imagine that!

by Anonymousreply 36December 26, 2018 1:24 AM

No, she had made Ecstasy and married Mandl before she was 18.

by Anonymousreply 37December 26, 2018 1:28 AM

I watched that movie. I was Hedy with delight and my verdict was Lamarvellous.

by Anonymousreply 39December 26, 2018 1:36 AM

R35 In Ecstasy, Hedy's character is having sex with a virile, young engineer.

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by Anonymousreply 40December 26, 2018 1:38 AM

With her young lover (Aribert Mog) in Ecstasy.

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by Anonymousreply 41December 26, 2018 1:44 AM

According to the documentary Hedy was also working on at least 2 other inventions with Antheil on of which was the use of anti-aircraft proximity fuses, which once again was very advanced technology at the time of WWII. I wonder what the third invention was they were also working on? I doubt that it was a better floor mop.

by Anonymousreply 43December 26, 2018 2:04 PM

I loved BOMBSHELL and I really want to believe that Hedy was truly a scientific genius but wonder if she was little more than a hostess to Antheil, serving him drinks and dinner, maybe asking a lot of pertinent questions and encouraging his work. Perhaps he was in love with her and allowed her name to be included in their work?

I know that sounds very sexist, but hearing Hedy speak in the documentary, she doesn't sound particularly bright or clever. Well, maybe Albert Einstein wouldn't either. But I also find it odd that there were never any stories (to my knowledge) from Hedy's film colleagues about her interest in science or even about her intelligence and wit.

Her family was presented with a posthumous award to Hedy in recent years, acknowledging her scientific contributions, so I trust there was something there. But it all seems very strange........a mystifying Hollywood legend.

by Anonymousreply 44December 26, 2018 3:04 PM

She was just one of a number of inventors and agencies on both sides of the war working on transmission jamming. But the US Navy did ensure that what she and Antheil submitted got buried, so she was done an injustice.

The taped interview she did in the 90s, featured prominently in BOMBSHELL, is just a lonely old woman's vague ramblings.

by Anonymousreply 45December 26, 2018 3:40 PM

Particularly financial, r45.

by Anonymousreply 46December 26, 2018 3:47 PM

Had to join in this one. My all time nomination for one of the most beautiful faces ever. [R30] I think you'll find she did patent it, and gave it to the Navy. The patent simply ran out. If she had kept it going and used it herself the result could have been immense fortune. Just patenting something doesn't make it worth sweet F/A. Think she also built one of the first big ski lodges in Aspen (?) recognising it as a perfect place to set up a ski resort that today would be worth mega millions. Her then husband got everything in the divorce settlement. She may have been super intelligent but that intelligence disappeared up her arse when it came to men. everyone of them shit on her. Should have stayed in Marlene's sewing circle. Yes she well and truly fucked her own face with surgery herself long before Michael Jackson owned the crown. So not caring about her beauty, bullshit. For me, for a while during the 40's (just watch Ziegfeld Girl when she drops the big orchid away from her face) she had without doubt, one of the most beautiful faces fucking ever. It may have been George Sanders who said even in Hollywood where great beauties were everywhere, when Hedy entered a room, it fell silent and people simply stopped and stared.

by Anonymousreply 48December 26, 2018 4:11 PM

[quote]She was really the first gorgeous star of the Golden Age to get awful plastic surgery.

Mary Pickford's back in the 1930s was pretty bad, but eventually settled so her face wasn't as crooked as it had been at first.

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by Anonymousreply 49December 26, 2018 4:44 PM

Big deal. It's not like she invented Post-Its.

by Anonymousreply 50December 26, 2018 4:47 PM

r49: If that photo is meant to be evidence of Mary Pickford's bad plastic surgery, I'm not seeing it. Hedy still wins.

by Anonymousreply 51December 26, 2018 9:13 PM

Hedy looks to have had a very fine and delicate bone structure and a beautiful naturally turned-up nose. I wonder if it was the type of face that just couldn't take much of any kind of plastic surgery?

by Anonymousreply 52December 26, 2018 9:16 PM

Gorgeous in "Lady of the Tropics," an objectionable film. It's on YouTube.

by Anonymousreply 53December 26, 2018 9:20 PM

I can’t think of anyone that had a more beautiful face than Hedy. Her manager, Robert Lantz, who was a major agent in Hollywood and represented many big stars including Elizabeth Taylor had known Hedy since she was 16 and said of her, “never ever was there a more beautiful girl than Hedy”. As Robert said, “Elizabeth wasn’t chopped liver but Hedy was more beautiful; Hedy was breathtaking”. Robert also said that Hedy was always crazy and unhappy. Hedy led an extremely chaotic, complex life that probably was not much fun to live but really fascinating to review.

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by Anonymousreply 54December 26, 2018 10:51 PM

[quote] but wonder if she was little more than a hostess to Antheil, serving him drinks and dinner, maybe asking a lot of pertinent questions and encouraging his work. Perhaps he was in love with her and allowed her name to be included in their work

Exacto

by Anonymousreply 55December 26, 2018 11:11 PM

She had already been a tinkerer. I like to think she was really a collaborator with Antheil, who was himself quite a character.

by Anonymousreply 56December 26, 2018 11:14 PM

Hedy Lamarr, one of the most beautiful brunette Hollywood beauties ever.

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by Anonymousreply 57December 26, 2018 11:15 PM

There's tinkering.....and then there's......INVENTING!

by Anonymousreply 58December 26, 2018 11:21 PM

She does very solid work in "H. M. Pelham, Esq." And "Experiment Perilous" is a good thriller. Both viewable on YouTube.

by Anonymousreply 59December 26, 2018 11:23 PM

Antheil and Hedy’s original contact came about because Hedy thought her breasts were too small and Antheil wrote articles in some magazine that he could increase a woman’s size with endocrine therapy-but as this was going on Hedy stated talking about her ideas for “frequency hoping”. George had no formal training in engineering either and was a high school drop-out. George always gave Hedy a great deal of credit for what they did as did Hedy regarding George. Given all the principal players are deceased we will never know who is the most responsible for it but I don’t believe George did any more inventing after his collaboration with Hedy so I think mutual credit is in order. It is pretty sexist to suggest that Hedy wasn’t really a part of the inventing process. Based upon how mysterious and strange she seems to be I don’t see why it seems so strange that she was an active part of the processs. She seems like the female version of another strange sole Nikola Tesla.

by Anonymousreply 60December 26, 2018 11:31 PM

She was originally brought to MGM as a young mysterious foreign beauty to replace Garbo, who by the late 1930s kept threatening retirement and had become too resistant and difficult.

But Hedy never quite had the same gravitas as Garbo and, anyway, it didn't matter by 1941 when the nation was plunged in to a world war and Americans really preferred to be amused by the likes of Betty Grable, Abbot and Costello. Hedy's MGM resume mostly shows that they really didn't know what to do with her.

by Anonymousreply 61December 26, 2018 11:32 PM

I can't take my eyes off Victor's sagging breasts

by Anonymousreply 63December 26, 2018 11:46 PM

[quote] Antheil and Hedy’s original contact came about because Hedy thought her breasts were too small

She should have asked her co star for some of his moobage

by Anonymousreply 65December 26, 2018 11:48 PM

Was it not odd that there was never any talk in Hollywood in the 1930s and 1940s about the brilliant mind of Hedy Lamarr?

When you watch interviews with Bette Davis, Marlene Dietrich and Katharine Hepburn in their maturity, you know you're listening to fiercely intelligent women. Hedy just sounds trivial and rather inarticulate.

by Anonymousreply 66December 26, 2018 11:49 PM

"Based upon how mysterious and strange she seems to be I don’t see why it seems so strange that she was an active part of the processs."

Well, some of us have pointed out that she had no training in engineering and little to no education in the sciences, and she'd had a full-time job in another field and a couple of marriages by then so it's not like she had a lot of free time to study up on it. And apparently the alternating-frequency thing they made to jam submarine communication wasn't a workable or sophisticated design, it was the idea of alternating frequencies that was so far ahead of its time.

Electrical engineering isn't one of those fields where you just pick it up as a hobby, it really does require a certain background in the sciences and specific training. But anything is possible, even tinkerers having a stroke of genius.

by Anonymousreply 67December 26, 2018 11:59 PM

I know more about electrical engineering than electrical engineers. I have a feeling for it in my gut.

by Anonymousreply 68December 27, 2018 12:08 AM

"When you watch interviews with Bette Davis, Marlene Dietrich and Katharine Hepburn in their maturity, you know you're listening to fiercely intelligent women. Hedy just sounds trivial and rather inarticulate. "

To be fair, they were native English-speakers! It's much easier to sound intelligent in a language you know well, and Hedy didn't speak any English when she arrived in Hollywood. And also, she didn't seem to care about acting as much as the greats like Davis, she acted because it was a way to earn a living, so anyone who interviewed her about acting wasn't going to get the best of her.

Still, I don't know what subject would have made her sound brilliant during an interview, because nobody was going to ask her about tinkering in the basement. And what she cared about most seems to have been changing out husbands.

by Anonymousreply 69December 27, 2018 12:09 AM

Have you seen Bombshell, r69? In her various interviews over the years there's absolutely no depth. And IIRC in the last interviews they're just audios (it's not like she's on the Tonight Show) where the interviewer is trying to get something interesting out of her and she just rambles on saying nothing.

by Anonymousreply 70December 27, 2018 12:17 AM

R68, R70 I am sympathetic to the elder Hedy Keiser's plight of being uncomfortable in the English language.

I'm an eldergay who remembers two migrants who coped satisfactorily using English as a second language in their 20s but as they became older and lonelier in their 60s their English skills regressed and their accents have became almost unintelligible.

I am sympathetic.

by Anonymousreply 71December 27, 2018 12:22 AM

Her audio comments at the very end of Bombshell are meditative and touching.

by Anonymousreply 72December 27, 2018 12:38 AM

R70, yeah, I saw "Bombshell", which is why I'm so interested in this woman. And the last interviews were with an old woman who was perfectly aware that she'd wasted her life, that's the main thing that came across to me.

by Anonymousreply 73December 27, 2018 12:47 AM

R66 I can see the concentration on intelligence with Katharine Hepburn and Bette Davis but really all anyone seemed to want to talk about concerning Hedy was her incredible beauty. Hedy was very reserved and withdrawn not a big personality like Katharine or Bette nor did anyone expect conversation from her. Hedy was a loner and people commented on the fact that they couldn’t understand how someone as beautiful as her was often spotted by herself. To paraphrase Winston Churchill, Hedy was a riddle, wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma. Who really knows what made her tick?

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by Anonymousreply 74December 27, 2018 1:01 AM

Yes R74, Kate and Bette were masculine while Hedy was a genuine woman.

by Anonymousreply 75December 27, 2018 3:40 AM

At the end of the "You Stepped Out of a Dream" number in "Ziegfeld Girl," when the camera pulls back, Hedy shifts her weight and does a tiny wobble.

That's the film that put Turner over, IIRC. They kept enlarging her part.

by Anonymousreply 77December 27, 2018 4:11 AM

I was a critic assigned to BOMBSHELL and I didn't say anything, mainly because it was mostly just gut feeling, but the documentary really did not reassure me that Lamarr had anything to do with the invention in question. The idea of it -- basically changing radio frequencies by using a player piano style tape to "play" different frequencies like notes -- may have been hers, but there was nothing anywhere indicating that she actually worked on the project. She couldn't talk about it, didn't seem interested, didn't seem to even really understand it, and that's based on the interviews BOMBSHELL chose, which were surely the most convincing things they could find.

They really hit the "she was dismissed because she was a beautiful woman" note HARD in the documentary, and it felt like they did so in bad faith.

As someone who spent a decade reviewing indie documentaries, I can tell you that a LOT of them approach their topic with a very specific agenda designed to tap into the current zeitgeist, and will go so far as to lie blatantly about easily proven things to try to get attention. Because I couldn't tell if BOMBSHELL was exaggerating or not, I couldn't in good conscience call it out for exaggerating, but I strongly feel that they did.

by Anonymousreply 78December 27, 2018 2:00 PM

Fascinating, r78. Thanks for your thoughts.

by Anonymousreply 79December 27, 2018 3:19 PM

Time to bring up Personality, the campiest show ever on TV. Hedy was the interviewee of the day, and, yes, Gordon MacRae knew her.

by Anonymousreply 80December 27, 2018 3:35 PM

There's a To Tell the Truth episode out there with Hedy and her son Anthony. I can't remember what the gimmick is but there are 3 handsome young men pretending to be her son and she appears at the end to unmask the real one.

by Anonymousreply 81December 27, 2018 3:50 PM

R78 what I have deduced is that the idea of frequency hoping was Hedy’s but the mechanics to make it work which was the player piano concepts in wiring was George’s. I’m sure Hedy had heard about the problems that the Axis arms suppliers were having with jamming of radio transmissions and they allude to the Philco magic box as her inspiration for the concept of switching the transmitter and receiver to avoid jamming of the signal as apparently the magic is referenced in the patent. I would guess George did the laborious work on the patent with the wiring as he was an expert on player pianos and in fact that is more or less what is said in the documentary. In the end the National Inventors council set them up with an electrical engineer from Cal Tech to be able to write the patent successfully because both George and Hey had gotten beyond their ability to really finalize it. My understanding of the history of this patent it is very important in that field of electrical engineering, so lets not get to lost in the weeds as to who may have had the biggest part in its invention.

by Anonymousreply 82December 27, 2018 8:47 PM

Did George patent it? How much money did he make?

by Anonymousreply 83December 27, 2018 9:33 PM

Neither of them made any money, the turned the patent over to the US Navy like good citizens who just wanted to stop U-Boats from targeting passenger ships, and the Navy never did anything with it.

by Anonymousreply 84December 27, 2018 11:31 PM

During her ‘Ecstasy’ period before Hollywood glammed her up...

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by Anonymousreply 86December 28, 2018 12:34 AM

Is Hedy prettier than Vivien?

I think Hedy's face just a little too wide and Vivien's neck just a little too long.

by Anonymousreply 88December 28, 2018 5:08 AM

Hedy Lamarr, known then as Hedwig Eva Maria Kiesler, in the nude swimming scene from "Extase" German/Czech (1933).

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by Anonymousreply 90December 28, 2018 5:16 AM

I think Hedy used her lipstick above her natural lip line.

I can never believe the Guardian propaganda newspaper but it says Hedy had the first orgasm on screen.

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by Anonymousreply 91December 28, 2018 5:30 AM

Here it is, you lazy bitches.

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by Anonymousreply 92December 28, 2018 5:40 AM

R93 Hedy Kiesler was Austrian.

This new woman is Israeli.

by Anonymousreply 94December 28, 2018 8:22 AM

Raising her eyebrows opened her face.

by Anonymousreply 95December 28, 2018 8:50 AM

Hedy Lamarr's parents were Jewish, so having an Israeli actress play her is not a big stretch. She was still looking pretty good (only some minimal plastic surgery) in the late 60's when she would have been in her late 50's as in this interview with DL favorite Merv Griffin. Too bad she went overboard later.

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by Anonymousreply 96December 28, 2018 9:15 AM

R96 That interview is painful.

Poor Hedy is trying to retain some dignity while that hideous schlemiel on the right hand side of the screen continually interrupts making vulgar jokes about Lip-shits.

by Anonymousreply 97December 28, 2018 9:20 AM

Both of her children were stunningly beautiful as well in 1968 at least on this To Tell the Truth

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by Anonymousreply 98December 28, 2018 9:37 AM

I think Gal Gadot should have quietly passed on that one. A very pretty young woman but forever to be compared to Lamar? And to the daft twat who thinks Hedy's face "a little too wide"!!!!!!! For fuck sake.

by Anonymousreply 99December 28, 2018 10:13 AM

I agree with the OP that Hedy’s looks were fading by the time of Samson and Delilah was filmed. Hedy was still beautiful but she was not the Olympian beauty she had been from 10 years earlier but still it was the first time she was filmed in color. It’s to bad we never got to see Hedy in color at the height of her beauty. MGM was pretty cheap and rarely filmed in color whereas other studios were filming many films in color by the late 1930’s.

It would have been interesting if Hedy would have agreed to play Elizabeth Taylor’s mother in Father of the Bride as she was the first choice over Joan Bennett which was filmed almost immediately after Samson and Delilah so we could compare those two beauties side by side albeit with a 20 year age difference.

by Anonymousreply 102December 28, 2018 2:11 PM

r96: YIKES! I think she looks awful in that Merv interview. A perfect example of drastic plastic surgery. Her makeup and hairdo certainly don't help.

by Anonymousreply 103December 28, 2018 3:41 PM

Now I believe it was Darwin Porter who said Hitler was in love with her , and that was why she had to flee. Certainly she would have been exposed to him through her husband Fritz Mandl, the biggest arms dealer in Europe (also Jewish).

by Anonymousreply 104December 28, 2018 6:53 PM

I believe it was Goebbels or Goering with whom Hedy and Mandl were acquainted.

by Anonymousreply 105December 28, 2018 7:27 PM

Hedy and Howard Hughes were inventing buddies...

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by Anonymousreply 106December 28, 2018 7:45 PM

The genesis of Hedy's idea for "frequency hopping..."

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by Anonymousreply 107December 28, 2018 7:58 PM

Alexandra Dean, the director of "Bombshell: The Hedy Lamarr Story (2017)," talks about the enigmatic actress/inventor...

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by Anonymousreply 108December 28, 2018 8:06 PM

I want to know why there was no scene of Samson's mother Hazel being chained to a post and whipped.

Cecil B. DeMille was major into BDSM. It's in so many of his movies, even from the silent era. And in his personal life.

by Anonymousreply 109December 28, 2018 8:20 PM

One more and I'll stop...

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by Anonymousreply 110December 28, 2018 8:29 PM

And in later life she developed a shoplifting problem.

I think she lifted some lipstick.

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by Anonymousreply 111December 28, 2018 8:35 PM

[quote]I think Hedy used her lipstick above her natural lip line.

She did, and in some stills it's quite obvious.

Gal Gadot has brown eyes and is too tall. Cannot play Hedy. She ruined WW, who's supposed to have blue eyes as well. Enough.

by Anonymousreply 112December 28, 2018 10:29 PM

"...no scene of Samson's mother Hazel..."

They were filming on what was her cleaning day for Mr. Baxter...

by Anonymousreply 113December 28, 2018 10:39 PM

Gadot was fine as Wonder Woman, but she looks nothing like Hedy Lamarr and is a fool to invite comparison with such a great beauty.

Honestly, the only points of resemblance between Gadot and Lamarr are dark hair, and a foreign accent.

by Anonymousreply 114December 28, 2018 11:08 PM

Natalie Portman with her fine features would be a better Hedy. She could wear platform heels for legginess.

by Anonymousreply 115December 28, 2018 11:11 PM

A doomed project in its very premise.

by Anonymousreply 116December 28, 2018 11:32 PM

Natalie doesn't look anything like Hedy

I actually think Gal Gadot is even more beautiful than Hedy

by Anonymousreply 117December 29, 2018 1:24 AM

Indeed R117, Natalie doesn't look anything like Hedy.

Nat has a wide, Olivia de Havilland-type face which can be seen at its worst at 1.20 in this clip.

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by Anonymousreply 118December 29, 2018 2:11 AM

R112 Hedy was 5’7” so I don’t think Gal at 5’10” is too tall to play her. Gal comes across as a very sweet girl which doesn’t seem much like what I think Hedy was like but the trick will be writing a logical screen play. Hedy was so ubiquitous that trying to put together a narrative of her life is not going to be easy. Trying to make sense out of Hedy’s life is really going to be interesting to see what they come up with.

Hedy is much more beautiful than Gal but I doubt that very many people with know the difference. Trying to get people to empathize with Hedy through very confused life-good luck to them. How do you go from developing advanced technology to shoplifting suppositories?

by Anonymousreply 119December 29, 2018 2:14 AM

Please define ubiquitous, r119.

by Anonymousreply 120December 29, 2018 2:18 AM

I don't understand ubiquitous either.

Hedy was just a genetically-blessed foreigner trying to forge a career in that crazy ship of fools called Hollywood.

by Anonymousreply 121December 29, 2018 2:25 AM

R119 Hedy was all over the place in her life-very inconsistent in marriages, family relationships, ethnic identity, etc. Hedy was not a normal person and had a lot of psychological problems. There was New York Times piece from 1970 that really illustrates that point but I am having trouble finding it to post it’s contents but it was eye opening.

by Anonymousreply 122December 29, 2018 2:33 AM

I alluded to it under R122 but google, I was once a famous movie star, Hedy Lamarr and the New York Times and let me know what you think about her mentally.

by Anonymousreply 123December 29, 2018 2:38 AM

She´s got Mr. Big to lean on...

by Anonymousreply 125December 29, 2018 2:50 AM

R124 thanks that’s the article. I’m a Hedy fan but you can see she had very deep problems.

by Anonymousreply 126December 29, 2018 2:51 AM

Why isn't Hedy wearing any makeup?^^^^^^

by Anonymousreply 128December 29, 2018 3:23 AM

Thanks for the Times article, r124!

So sad. Very hard to read that and have any faith in the sanity, much less the genius, of Ms Lamarr.

by Anonymousreply 129December 29, 2018 3:37 AM

Then there’s this article about Hedy. Hedy had severe emotional problems later in life as her beauty faded and her methamphetamine addiction worsened.

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by Anonymousreply 130December 29, 2018 1:18 PM

this thread has an Anti-Wide Face Troll

by Anonymousreply 131December 29, 2018 1:26 PM

Thanks for this thread. I watched bombshell and Algiers. She was beautiful, no argument there. She led an interesting life. It's too bad she never found a companion who appreciated her and helped her navigate her mental health issues. For me she's a compelling figure.

by Anonymousreply 132December 29, 2018 1:30 PM

R132 many of the movie goddesses didn’t seem to handle aging well. In Hedy’s case she was always noted as the most beautiful of them all, so she had further to fall when her beauty started to wane. Hedy to me is a very cautionary story for extremely beautiful girls everywhere that they need to be prepared for the loss of that same beauty as it will hit them hard, later-as Joan Collins said, “It’s like being born rich but becoming poor”, or words to that affect.

by Anonymousreply 133December 29, 2018 1:42 PM

If you watch "Bombshell" you learn that she was also being regularly injected with meth by Dr. Feelgood (a.k.a. Max Jacobsen) and wasn't in her right mind for years.

by Anonymousreply 134December 30, 2018 8:49 AM

From R124's article:

[quote] She is also suing an Italian movie company for her rights—improperly sold, she claims—to an unreleased film in which she per formed.

Anyone know anything about this movie?

She made 2 Italian movies in 1954, but they were both released.

by Anonymousreply 135December 30, 2018 3:15 PM

R135 Hedy produced “The Loves of Three Queens”, it was originally about the length of Gone With the Wind and was a complete turkey. I was later released in a much reduced format. The IMDb shows it as only having 4.8 rating. I think it was released in Europe but not in America.

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by Anonymousreply 136December 30, 2018 4:53 PM

She sunk her fortune into making it. She plays three different queens. I think the problem was she couldn’t get distribution.

by Anonymousreply 137December 30, 2018 6:04 PM

R137 I think the debacle of The Love of Three Queens is at least in part why she married Howard Lee. Hedy must have realized that the public no longer cared about her on the big screen and the loss of him is ultimately what seemed to throw her for such a loop, it must have been very hard on her ego as she probably is the one who had ended a marriage but it was Howard this time and he was her meal ticket. Howard began seeing Gene Tierney who was younger and probably way less difficult and Hedy who had no money rather struggled financially the rest of her life. Boy Howard had good luck with women in the beauty department.

by Anonymousreply 138December 30, 2018 10:26 PM

As someone said, “How did a smart Jewish girl end up like Hedy”? You would have thought she would have planned out her life better than she did.

by Anonymousreply 140December 31, 2018 6:31 PM

I can't imagine anybody having a less exciting life. Too bad she couldn't do better in the end.

by Anonymousreply 141December 31, 2018 6:34 PM

Happily, her last movie THE FEMALE ANIMAL (1958) is now on DVD (Uinversal Vault Series). Revel in the camp splendor of aging movie queen Hedy fighting with her "daughter" Jane Powell over hunky DL Fave George Nader!

by Anonymousreply 143December 31, 2018 8:49 PM

Her life wasn't that exciting, R141/142, except for the flight from her first husband and the Nazis, with jewels sewn into her clothing.

Other than that, she's a perfect example of someone who had all the gifts nature can bestow, and never made the most of any of them. She was beautiful, and accepted Hollywood money to be beautiful, but never cared much about acting or filmmaking, she just needed the money. She was bright, but never studied anything seriously, and spent most of her life not knowing she'd produced something of value, and managed to lose all her Hollywood money in bad investments. She was sexy, and always chose the worst possible men. She had beautiful children, and doesn't seem to have been a stellar mother. And the end of her life, she lived on social security and nuisance lawsuits, she'd sue anyone who used the words "Hedy Lamarr" in a way that could be construed as offensive. And that's what she ended up accomplishing, with all her beauty, brains, and personal magnetism.

by Anonymousreply 144December 31, 2018 8:50 PM

[quote]She had beautiful children, and doesn't seem to have been a stellar mother.

R144 Not true. In "Bombshell," it's clear she was a wonderful mother and her kids agree.

by Anonymousreply 145December 31, 2018 9:07 PM

According to what I've read, she left an estate of 3.3 million dollars almost twenty years ago, so I don't consider that financial ruin. Of course, maybe I run in different circles than you all do.

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by Anonymousreply 146December 31, 2018 9:21 PM

R146 she got most of money very late in life because of two of her lawsuits: 1. Against Corel software for using her face on its cover, and 2. That a major telecommunications company wanted to honor her so they bought 49 percent of her patent rights, which of course was worthless since the patent had expired. A most unusual woman as she took great pride in building a chicken coop for her ducks and chickens in Beverly Hills. I wonder what kind of effect the suicides of two of her boyfriends had on her before she was 16 simply because she broke up with them?

by Anonymousreply 147January 1, 2019 2:25 AM

The way she treated her adopted son is awful.

by Anonymousreply 148January 1, 2019 9:07 PM

R148 surprisingly he does not publically criticize her for their alienation. There has always been speculation that he may be her biological child. He daughter Denise said she and her son, Tony took genetic tests and they were not related to James but there is a theory that Hedy did a Loretta Young where she maintained James was adopted when he in fact was her child. She was married to Gene Markey at the time of James birth. My opinion is he was adopted but it would not be shock to find out that James was her biological child; however, if Hedy had an illegitimate child in 1939 especially with her scandalous past it would have been the end of her career in Hollywood.

by Anonymousreply 149January 2, 2019 1:27 AM

"It's easy to look glamorous. All you have to do is stand still and look stupid.”

--Hedy Lamarr

by Anonymousreply 150January 2, 2019 1:34 AM

Most of those old hollywood beauties hit the wall after the big 30. Hedy's face was already hard and matronly in SaD. And her brow ridges made her brows look too short for her round face unless the pencil work is really well done.

by Anonymousreply 151February 12, 2019 11:10 PM

R35 Only among the lesbians.

by Anonymousreply 152February 12, 2019 11:31 PM

R19.. Yeah, later on in her life, the plastic surgery was unfortunate.

by Anonymousreply 153February 12, 2019 11:39 PM

Hedy's tall willowy figure was unparalleled, but I think her face was overrated. Here in Ziegfeld Girl (supposed her prime) her face looked long and bottom-heavy alongside Lana Turner's, and her brows drooped downwards in this matronly manner.

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by Anonymousreply 154February 12, 2019 11:41 PM

In her youth, she looked her best pouting, but expressions detract from her beauty. Maybe that's why she said she's gotta "look stupid (blank)" to be think of as beautiful?

by Anonymousreply 155February 12, 2019 11:43 PM

r88 No, Hedy was not more beautiful than Vivien or she'd be internationally A-listed with or without acting ability, like how the untalented Ava Gardner was. Hedy's face was rectangular while Vivien's was heart-shaped, so Vivien came off looking more feminine. Vivien brows and lips were also far prettier than Hedy's, whose brow ends drooped and whose lips were massively painted beyond the lip line. Hedy was taller but Vivien with her long neck and small waist was also well-proportioned. Hedy was beautiful but Vivien was simply more flawless and exquisite.

by Anonymousreply 156February 14, 2019 12:58 AM

R156 By all accounts of people who saw them Hedy was by far and away the most beautiful woman in Hollywood of her era...with that said she was not a particularly good actress sullen and very difficult to work with so her career suffered as a result. Louis B. Mayer thought she would be the biggest star in Hollywood when he originally signed her but Hedy was miserable to deal with. She turned down Laura, Gaslight, and several other choice roles and Mayer finally was glad to see her and her big contract leave the studiol

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by Anonymousreply 157February 14, 2019 1:13 AM

Hedy could've been better looking in person, but on screen her face came off looking rectangular, and her brows and lips awkwardly painted over. It could be that she was non-photogenic, which is detrimental to being a top screen beauty. There were scenes in ZG where Lana with her soft feminine face and curves made Hedy looked manly in comparison, and Lana was far from a striking beauty. Had the audience of the day bought into her beauty she would've been a big internationally renowed star like the equally untalented Ava, whom even Asians know and sing songs about. She wasn't. Many have never even heard of her name until the Bombshell Documentary. Even the pinup likes of Veronica Lake seem more well-known than her.

by Anonymousreply 158February 14, 2019 1:27 AM

R158 My opinion is Hedy was the best looking movie star of any era and I am not going to resort to some idealized form of beauty that you read somewhere to try to prove it. I have my own eyes and have seen several of her movies and I truly can’t think of anyone that I think is as a beautiful. I used to believe Gene Tierney was the most beautiful actress but having now seen more of Hedy’s films I will grant that distinction to her and at times in watching Hedy’s films she seems positively amateurish as an actress but to me she has the most classically beautiful face of them all. And yes to me Vivian Leigh is less beautiful than Hedy but Vivian can act rings around Hedy and I can see why Hollywood gave up on her as she aged as her beauty is what set her apart... You should listed to the interview that Lana Turner gave to. Joan Rivers on the Tonight show where she talks about Hedy’s beauty.

by Anonymousreply 159February 14, 2019 1:42 AM

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